Monday, June 26th, 2017 12:00 am
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Several news articles were posted to the Yahoo Androgynes list recently about legislative progress on allowing people to get identification documents that specify their gender as "non-binary".

California moves closer to recognizing third gender - ... The state Senate passed a bill that would allow Californians to choose gender non-binary for identifying documents like drivers licenses and birth certificates...

Oregon becomes first state to allow nonbinary on drivers license - ... Beginning July 1, Oregonians will be able to choose "X" for sex Instead of "F" or "M" on their licenses and identification cards...

D.C. to allow gender-neutral driver’s licenses - At the direction of D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, the city’s Department of Motor Vehicles will begin allowing residents to choose a gender-neutral “X” identifier on driver’s licenses and other city identification documents on June 26. ...
on the same day that six members of the D.C. City Council introduced a bill that would enact the gender neutral I.D. policy proposed by the mayor administratively into city law. ...

Activist vying for non-binary birth certificate taking N.L. to court

While reading the first 2 articles, I wondered if it's possible that in the not-too-distant future, I could even get a driver's license here in South Carolina which says non-binary. It seems quite unlikely to happen here, but then again, that's what I thought about gay marriage.

But with the Republicans in control of the federal government, it seems likely that there will be some kind of backlash first. Like a "defense of gender act" which would make it illegal for states to issue IDs with non-binary markers.

When the second article mentioned the California legislation again, it suddenly hit me. I was born in California. If the bill passes, I could conceivably get my birth certificate updated. !!! I wouldn't have to wait for SC to pass such a bill, at least not for my BC.

But then that might present other difficulties. Like, "You can't renew your driver's license (or sign up for XYZ), because we only allow M and F, and your BC says X, which isn't a valid value."

I wonder how non-binary gender IDs will affect things that are segregated into M and F. Obviously, there's the bathroom thing... if a state like NC has a law saying that you have to use the restroom which matches the marker on your DL, and your marker is X, can they legally keep you from using both restrooms? And what about prisons... For a non-binary person who is convicted of a crime, how will they decided whether to send them to a men's or women's penitentiary?

For that matter, what about selective service? That will be a can of worms. Suppose that anyone could get out of the draft by changing their gender marker to X or F, because only males are required to sign up? (I'm against the draft and selective service in the first place - I don't think anyone should be required to join the military, regardless of their sex or gender.) I imagine that they'll eventually change the selective service rules to require everyone to sign up, regardless of gender.

Another problem - what about sporting competitions? Will non-binary people not be allowed to compete in men's or women's competitions? But that's already an issue for trans athletes, even without considering non-binary people.

Date: Monday, June 26th, 2017 04:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] randomdreams
Current international rules for gender-segregated sports say, more or less, that if you are anything other than genetically XX and only XX, you have to compete in the men's category. (Even if you're X0 or XXX, apparently.) Every Olympic-level athlete is genetically tested, with the sole exception of Anne, Princess Royal of the United Kingdom, when she competed in 1976, because the Olympic Committee felt that was unfitting.
There is a LOT of discussion about this, especially of/by people who are neither XX nor XY. There is currently virtually no discussion of transgender rights in sports. (I think in part because the hormones involved automatically disqualify people who are in sports that do drug testing.)

Date: Thursday, June 29th, 2017 11:29 am (UTC)
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Suppose that anyone could get out of the draft by changing their gender marker to X or F, because only males are required to sign up?

Not in Israel -both genders serve over there. I have mixed feelings about it, in that I'm against the draft in general, but in favor of women voluntarily serving in pretty much whatever role they want, as men do.

I imagine that they'll eventually change the selective service rules to require everyone to sign up, regardless of gender.

Not as easy as it sounds. They'd either have to force those who legitimately identify as agender or a non-binary gender to serve jail time OR admit there are more than the two binary genders at stake here. I pity the law makers who choose the former.

And I almost pity them for all the bigots after them should they choose the latter. I mean, "don't ask don't tell" had them foaming at the mouths though at the time that was considered the most diplomatic way to resolve certain questions, and was considered earth shattering for having occurred in the US less than maybe 4,000 years from now.

That said, that people aren't already legally able to identify however they want is puzzling to me, but I seem to share space with people who still think the only populated part of the land is Plymouth Landing.